Changed my mind i thought i would do this now
RESULT - this has just Fixed the problem
I deleted the files in usr/softcams and restarted however i noticed in the feeds CCcam 2.3.0 was missing so i thought it must still be in the box somewhere as i was sure that was where i got it from last time .
So i pressed red button in plugins to remove plugins and in there i had 2 CCcams,i removed them and clicked restart box.
Once the box restarted i noticed the softcam option was still visible in the setup options so there must still be something in the box that gets installed as when i put a fresh image on the box that option is not there.
so i then clicked restart enigma ( I have no idea what this does as we have restart box ?) thinking it might remove the softcam setup option but it did not.
i then went to feeds and saw CCcam 2.3.0 was back installed it then ftp my cline to etc and restarted.
And Bingo connects almost instantly now, to make sure it was not a fluke i powered the box off twice from the wall and it still connects instantly just like it did before.
so somewhere it went wrong from Zeus to Helious.
I hope this helps anyone with the same problem
A Massive Massive thank you to all