Thanks for the reply Honcho I tried the force update twice this morning after reading this post,i have most of the channels back like at the race/Disney/history/nat geo which I did not get before the force update least that's more than I had before I started this thread,the weired thing is it does not clear sports but I get sports mix also not clearing the movies.
S I think i'll try the force update about 1/2 dozen time see if they will come back on,the other thing is my dreambox 800 hd (clone) has packed in has error on front display can't do nothing with it so am using an openbox f5 at the moment could this be an issue because you get that many doubler channels and have tried them all to see if the work but to no avail.
Will let you know the results if any