Posts by ekkostar

Quote from toysoft

Yes, check the monoblock, how it's built, and how much it costs... it's only 1 output ? Probably ? I use all my BiSat with 4 outputs LNBs, so it's for 4 home TVs.

Definitely I would go more on the 65 cm, as the 45 in case of bad weather (which is typical for UK, LOL), could go blank due to weak signal... and you into reading a book instead of watching TV.

TS

It's difficult as there are very few places that sell either dish in the UK and they are not nearby to visit for me either.

You have to research everything beforehand and then take a chance !

Quote from toysoft

If one LNB fails, you have to change all ? You cannot set for every lnb, the number of output you want (selection, 1 or 4, or 8 outputs LNBs), etc... for me too risky when all is built together and you cannot replace just a part if it fails.

TS

Yeah that's a good point. It's a single monoblock so if it dies then the whole lot would need a swap out.

Looking at the pics though that housing looks like it is made to last so probably not much to go wrong !

They also do a 65cm version and that would be more comparable to the Bisat

Quote from toysoft

You can easily change the front part (the BiSat itself doesn't change at all for all models), just select a different sat configuration, like 13+19.2+28.2.

TS

The reason why the Technisat Multytenne came back into the frame was that has a Quatro block LNB and Diseqc switch all built in and one output.

I am only looking for a Sky dish replacement and that one output can then be distributed out.

It's a very neat, small and tidy set up.

Partly it's down to the intrigue because even though it is such a small dish they must have managed to eek out one hell of a performance to be able to offer it as that combo !

I could do the same with the Bisat but then it would involve an external switch and a bit more fiddling about.

It's a shame we don't get too many dish reviews nowadays. Seems a lot is just down to chance and whatever is on offer at that time etc.

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I prefer defenitely the 80cm version BiSat, which for sure will give you enough gain for a good reception, no risk when you have clouds... eg, 45 cm is really small...

https://www.transplanet.fr/par…at/parabole_visiosat.html

Visiosat dish

Description of visiosat dish:

The reflector of the BISAT antennas has been specially designed to allow to receive on a single antenna several satellites for individual applications. Depending on your position and your need you will be able to receive 2, 3 or 4 satellites with a single antenna.

Thanks to the BISAT G4B antenna access the best of the digital offer of Hot Bird 13°E, Astra 19.2°E, Astra 23.5°E and Astra 28.2°E.

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The Bisat is a great dish but not so many stockists in the UK. I would have to import it from EU which can be headache.

Even more intriguingly I came across the Technisat 45cm with the 4 way multisat LNB block on their website.

If it can pick up all 4 birds off that dish face it must be capable of quite a performance punch from that dish face !

Top features

• 1 or 2 participants
• 4 orbital positions (Eutelsat 13° East, Astra 19,2° East, Astra 23,5° East and Astra 28,2° East)

• perfect for ground- or wall mounting
• Reception of BBC-channels on Astra 28.2° East

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That is great coverage, i only have the small dish for anything either side of 39e or 14w sadly.

Im just reading up on the Cahors, they look to be very good quality indeed, with impressive gain figures.

As long as you are getting what you mainly watch then that is fine. The rest is overkill or hobbyist stuff.

On the East side there is the Turkish stuff and at 68 E you can get the African channels and at 70E depending on time and weather I can pick up some stray Middle East stuff.

West side 30W is good for the Spanish and you get some interesting streams sometime on the ones out to 45W

Sadly, I've been out of the sat scene for quite some years and just getting back into it !

The small dish is just to have a fixed feed for Freesat 28.2 and all the TV's in the house.

Quote from toysoft

Have a 1.2 m dish as well on first installation (30 years ago)... no brand... still on my MSS1000 Pace Analogic (with good old Videocrypt dual reader), with motor... I still have it installed, but it's a long time ago I didn't moved the dish that is pointed at 0.9 "Thor"... and stays there. LOL

Oh they were RX's in their day. 4 core cables etc. I had one of those !

I've had 1.2m CM and 1.5m and host of others. Pretty much been through most so understand and recognise quality.

I had a 1.25m Gibertini. That was an premium dish.

The one I have up there now is an Alsat printed 1.1m on a Dark Motor metal gear H-H mount. Unicable and H-H has made something very technical remarkably simple. Its a gem of a no brand dish.

There used to be a satellite installer nearby who used to contract work for a major aerospace firm and do all their satellites on the roof at their site nearby.

I was very lucky as I asked him kindly and he came around with 3 of his guys and stuck the whole rig up on the wall in about an hour. The precision was unreal and they were proper pro's. It hasn't budged a mm since then !

Quality is king.

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SMC / Fiber is definitely the way to go, for longevity, now the positions 13, 19.2, 28.2 are definitely likely to stay for a long time... I am happy of mines, installed 30 years ago (1995)... two dishes, one on 28.2 and one 13 and 19... then I did again 15 years ago with a 13+19+23.5+28.2 and 5 years ago another one, 13+19+28.2... all BiSat VisioSat (Cahors now), the 80 cm one...

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I have a 1.1m motorised set up as well.

It covers pretty much the full arc from Eutelsat 70B @ 70.5E through to Intelsat 14 @ 45W. I'm very lucky and get brilliant signals from even the low orbitals !

That's been up there for at least 15 years and come rain, wind or shine it's never missed a beat. Had to change to a Unicable LNB once and that was it !

The second dish is fixed, Sky Zone 1 and that's the one I want to change up first.

I might even refresh both and go for a double Cahors set up and go for the 1m SMC. Would prefer the 1.2m but it's twice the weight of the 1m and it requires a jack actuator. The H-H disecq mount and unicable is the way to go so I might stick on the 1m.

Hi,

At this moment in time I think I will more likely go down the Cahors/Visiosat route.

Cahors SMC

55cm Gain @ 12,625 GHz 34,5 dB

65cm Gain @ 12,625 GHZ 36 dB

Technisat Digidish

33cm Gain @11.3 GHz 30dB

45 cm Gain @ 11.3 GHz 32,2 dB

Sky Zone 1 Mesh

Gain @ 11.7 GHz 33.5dB

Gain @ 12.75 GHz 33.7dB

Sky Zone 2 Mesh

Gain @ 10.70GHz: 35.2dBi

Gain @ 12.75GHz: 36.7dBi

To do a true comparison I guess you would have to use the same LNB and switch it out on each dish and compare on the same Freq. I wouldn't have the time for that I'm afraid !

They all seem to perform close enough. It just comes down to the build quality I guess and in that the Cahors and Technisat look well in front.

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It's the price that calms you down, a small satellite dish at 100 euros, guys hesitate, especially of this shape, but from what I've read on French sites, it's good quality and works very well, I think you can go for it.....

Price of both is within budget. Quality is never cheap but neither are that expensive

You are right and as I always say, the price is forgotten and the quality remains.....

Yes exactly.

Some people want to spend 50€ or under and expect the dish to be out of this world and last forever.

The Sky dishes are fine but they are mesh and TBH I'm not a fan. They just have cheap build and just enough quality to do the job.

Sometimes it is better to go for better quality, install it and then not have to mess around with it for a long time. Saves a lot of hassle and money later on.

I could install it myself as fixed dish is not hard so will save on installation anyway.

Quote from arthur22

It's the price that calms you down, a small satellite dish at 100 euros, guys hesitate, especially of this shape, but from what I've read on French sites, it's good quality and works very well, I think you can go for it.....

Price of both is within budget. Quality is never cheap but neither are that expensive

Quote from arthur22

Hello, I can't give you my opinion on this dish, since I don't know it, but see the guy named Paillottes who is near my home in France, Marseille and who says that it is very solid and worth a 60 cm for reception.....

https://forum.telesatellite.co…-%C3%80-%C3%A9viter/page4

Thankyou

Yes it seems that model has been going for quite some years.

A lot of people must have bought them. I am surprised there are not more threads or experience of it.

I understand the doubters but they all seem to be people who have not tried or had experience of it.

Things I like about it are all aluminium and high precision machining. It's size and close coupling to the wall with the official bracket and of course it's longevity.

I am tempted to give it a try in the UK but my 1st choice would be a Cahors SMC, so I am deliberating at the moment which one to go for !!!

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All looks good other than can't find anyone who has used one for 28.2 !

As i said, the sky oval dish is optimised perfectly for 28.2 reception. Either the zone 1 or zone 2 dish. People often underestimate how good a dish they actually are.

They are cheap as chips and well proven. For just 28.2 in the UK i doubt many would use anything else TBH.

I already have one. They rust and are not good quality. The mesh is a compromise anyway.

I am looking to replace it. Solid dish this time.

I understand people use the Sky because they either know no better or because they are cheap or good enough to do the job.

I'm looking at replacing all my front end stuff and quality is more my bag.

Or this SMC/Fibreglass. Will be heavier and with 10 year warranty

Everything looks very well machined, powder coated both sides and they seem to use hex allen bolts.

20 Year warranty

All looks good other than can't find anyone who has used one for 28.2 !

Yes, totally agree. I much prefer quality for an install.

The Cahors SMC/Fibreglass was top of my list. 55cm or maybe 65cm and that should be 28.2 sorted for the as long as that bird is up there.

However, when I spoke to the reseller who sells both he said the Technisat is superb and you can't go wrong with that, which got me thinking.

He said he has had a 33cm up in the North of England and he says it has never missed a beat on 28.2 in all kinds of weather.

I'm trying to get some real world feedback though !

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That's my experience, longevity is I think the best, as I don't want to send someone on the roof every 5 or 10 years to replace all...

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Quote from ekkostar

I use Cahors/VisioSat BiSat in Paris (all), Geneva (all) and Venice (I have only large beam, not BBC, only DanceNation),

BiSat with 3-4 LNBs (13, 19, 23.5, 28.2)

https://geosat.fr/p/antenne-pa…-2-astra-28-2-hot-bird-13

You can probably find at better prices on some other sites/resellers,

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I was originally looking at the SMC Cahors versions. They look to be top quality but was told the Technisat is very good.

It doesn't seem many people have them in the UK. Although both are available.

Better to get real world opinions. Yours look nice but I really want either SMC/Fibreglass or Aluminum.

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I prefer quality solid dish and not into the Sky dish.

I was looking at a Cahors 55cm/65cm or one of these at 45cm.

Speaking to an official reseller they say the gain off the 33cm is super strong and comparable to any of the Sky dishes.

That could all be sales spiel but these dishes have been on the market for ages and they come with a 20 year warranty. Surely they can't be bad and looking at the pics they look to be machined extremely well ?