Help. I have no clue.

Ok, so as I said in my intro, I have no idea. Not about computers, flashing, firmware, all that... about satellite receivers. I have always had ***/****** with full package and never worried. Nowadays, they seem to be tearing out people's eyeballs and I don't like it any more.

To be fair, I know they're just basic computers and decoders etc, but I don't know what I am looking for. I don't know what's legal, illegal or readily available. I've had plenty to do with computers and replacing firmware on some devices, but I have always followed a guide.

I am basically here, as a starting point though. So I suppose I had best let you know what I am looking for.

Firstly, I have read the rules, but I can't understand them if I don't know what they're about, so at the risk of being banned for mentioning it (I hope not), what on earth is a payserver and why are they taboo? I assume, someone taking regular cash for coding a box, or sending a signal or something?

Secondly, what am I allowed to discuss here? Are TV boxes that illegally pick up channels taboo too?

Thirdly, I am looking to get a box, which gives me access to everything I have now (****** media full package) and more if possible. If the second answer is yes, then this will be a pointless ask, but I have put it anyway.

And lastly, whatever box I get, I need 2. MY GF has a daughter who has multiroom in her bedroom, and I'll never hear then end if it goes. Basically, we need a full EPG on both boxes, recording is an option, but not a requirement.

Thanks, Paul

I have no intention of reading this WHOLE forum entirely if it's to "save a few quid". Also, I was more expecting someone to give me answers along the lines of paying 100 quid for a box and setting it up to receive all channels, whether legal/illegal. For info purposes, it wouldn't matter what people told me would it. I have no idea what "sharing" means, or "extracting rsa keys". I imagine this means, a) we are on different wavelengths and this forum isn't what I thought or, b) you lot set them up with firmware etc from scratch, install all your "legal" stuff yourselves and call it a hobby, so I'm barking up the wrong tree trying to find where to get one that's plug n play. Thanks.

Unless from the quick read I've just had, I have it sussed?
My theory, correct me if I'm wrong?
Mr A has a TV subscription to Sly. He also has a PC and a router and another box, being the "shared" one? His Mother, Mrs A, also has internet. He "shares" his Sly card via the internet connection with her. Payservers, are the people who claim to be able to provide you with a code for 12 months, then upload what they've nicked off someone else and charge people over the odds?

Ah, so basically, the PC is to manipulate the firmware, set up the box in the first place etc.
THe box is plugged into a router or used with a dongle etc and the card isn't cloned, but the internal coding is shared via a router or over the internet through the router.
The payservers, are the people like the bloke in Liverpool arrested for charging, they pay a sub, but charge to share their codes, so they basically make profit off doing something that if people looked here, they could do themselves for free.
Am I doing ok? lol

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And one more question: Do you "technically" have to pay a full subscription to Sly, or is it possible to "open" channels up for viewing with only a basic subs and a bit of equipment?

So, you can basically share part packages? Someone with sport can give a code to someone who has say, Boxnation and in turn share their codes with someone else who has movies?

Ok, right so I think that goes a way to answering my next question. How do people end up with all the extras, like foreign channels. I imagine that is because they share with those who have subs to them in the first place, multiple dishes, or better setups?
I was advised by a friend a while ago that nbox are good. He advised me as he "knows someone" who sets them up and charges 150 quid. I have no idea what box, no idea what his setup involves and I have no intentions of getting him to sort one, since he obviously is sharing what others do for free! However, I liked the sound of the box as he said it was like his sly box, with a 'hyperion' skin? Are skins and images the same? Just a software basically that gives the screen an appearance I assume? If so, is nbox a good make? Are they easy to set up and what's an average cost for a good model? What else would people advise? Seems to be too much choice to me!