UA suggestions for pv channles help request.

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    This seems to be an isolated issue.
    On 127W tp 4100H there are pv channels with the same group id from live log.
    I've logged emm's with the last drakkar and then sent them thru pvhe.
    After some time a pair of emm keys and and emm will reveal. Perhaps several at times if I wait long enough.
    Adding them to my softcam keys file with the new format and including the standard formatting will clear the channels.
    Almost imediately an updated set of keys for the tp will populate the end of the softcam.key file.
    I'll add them to the new format and create an added UA.

    The channels clear for a few days and then die. Live Log shows key not found, looking for the 01 key.
    Tried transposing the 01 key with the 00 key. After waiting for a long time.
    The channel(s). One being bbc. won;t clear.
    No new UA's are being 'added by' at the end of the keys file.

    A new logging of EMM's will show new keys when sent to pvhe. And will clear the channels for few more days.
    It seems isolated to this, perhaps a very few other sat/tp's.
    Is there something in the config files that may be missing? Where would I look?

    As an additional question. If the last drakkar can log EMM & ECM's to a file.
    I'm led to believe only a dvb card can record what I'm led to believe is a "full transport stream". I'm told my .ts files when requested by the satuniverse guys don't contain the full infor they are seeking.
    If that is the case then how is it possible for drakkar, using dvbsnoop as the.....engine??.....to log what is missing from the recorded .ts stream?
    It's said that E2 receivers just cannot do it.
    I'm sort of ready to get a TBS card that won't leave me lacking. One that kind of 'does it all'. Data, audio, video.....everything carried on satellites in the Clarke belt.
    But running into many if, and, but's with them.

    Help??

    127W BBC auto rolls for me, but If I miss the update (not being on the channel) it can take up to 15mins before it rollls for me. I have a ? for you about the emm you get from the pvhe. when you get the emm it has an added 00, are you removing this before adding it to your key file?

    You are correct. If I also happen to miss an update there is a bit of time until it rolls and adds new keys to the file.
    If I wait too long tuning to the channel...a few days maybe. No dice.
    As for the formatting shown below.
    I've tried manipulating the EMM above and below the hash/group line. Same results.
    Using the old methods, same thing. Wait too long and never an update after even hours, overnight being on the channel(s) on that tp.
    I didn't know if its me or the tp itself.
    Or perhaps a setting in the configs. Most every channel that can be cleared besides on this tp work just fine.
    I'm wishing I knew enough about the configs to trim out all of the unneeded lines of text to address cardless (pv, biss, etc) channels only.
    With the assumption that if 'we' cannot receive sats that use cards. Who needs the configuration clutter?

    Examples:
    Tried 00,01 lines below the hash/group also don't forget.
    P 9A27FFFF 01 F25D1AA3485A22 ; added by Emu Fri Jan 13 01:33:50 2023 UA: 005D1836

    P 9A27FFFF 00 18A4548CB31594 ; added by Emu Sun Jan 15 19:28:16 2023 UA: 005D1836

    P 30E30F2D GROUP 9A27 ; BBC NA HD S2, 127.0W, 4100 H 30000


    Yup. Replaced the 00,01 with UA.

    P 9A27 005D1836 F25D1AA3485A22 ; added by Emu Fri Jan 13 01:33:50 2023 UA: 005D1836

    P 9A27 005D1836 18A4548CB31594 ; added by Emu Sun Jan 15 19:28:16 2023 UA: 005D1836

    P 9A2700C9 00 00000000000000 ;

    P 9A2700C9 01 00000000000000 ;


    And the good old standard.

    P 9A2700C9 01 F25D1AA3485A22 ; added by Emu Fri Jan 13 01:33:50 2023 UA: 005D1836

    P 9A2700C9 00 18A4548CB31594 ; added by Emu Sun Jan 15 19:28:16 2023 UA: 005D1836

    • Official Post

    For clarity here.....


    Are the EMM keys still valid ?

    If not, then no new powervu keys will be found, it is not unheard of for providers to change EMM keys weekly/ daily / hourly.


    Why not setup a zap timer to update all these keys when your asleep ? Say 20 minutes on a channel before zapping to the next.

    Here is an example of my key layout. I believe it is overkill, but I like to know what channels are in the same group. This way will make your key file size bigger because of redundant keys.


    P 6127FFFF 01 10951DF121BBDB ; ECM Key 4100 H 127w

    P 6127FFFF 00 F23CEE151914C1 ; ECM Key 4100 H 127w

    P 30E30F2D group 6127 ; BBC NA HD S2, 127.0W, 4100 H 30000

    P 61270001 00 00000000000000 ; Universal Church

    P 61270001 01 00000000000000 ;

    P 61270002 00 00000000000000 ; CH13 Internacional

    P 61270002 01 00000000000000 ;

    P 61270018 00 00000000000000 ; TyCS USA

    P 61270018 01 00000000000000 ;

    P 61270025 00 00000000000000 ; TN Internacional

    P 61270025 01 00000000000000 ;

    P 612700C9 00 00000000000000 ; BBC NA HD S2

    P 612700C9 01 00000000000000 ;

    P 612700D0 00 00000000000000 ; Caracol S2

    P 612700D0 01 00000000000000 ;

    P 612700D3 00 00000000000000 ; Mega S2

    P 612700D3 01 00000000000000 ;

    P 612700FA 00 00000000000000 ; TV Japan HD

    P 612700FA 01 00000000000000 ;

    P 6127 0054FFEE D313D80D6F8481 ; ---------------------------------------- Active 12/18/2022

    P 6127 005B5C54 12B7A4DF9A689E ; added by Emu Tue Nov 8 2022 UA: 005B5C54

    6127FFFF 00 C3C97A155DFBED ; added by Emu Sat Jan 21 13:55:13 2023 UA: 0054FFEE

    P 61270001 00 C3C97A155DFBED ; added by Emu Sat Jan 21 13:55:13 2023 UA: 0054FFEE

    P 61270002 00 C3C97A155DFBED ; added by Emu Sat Jan 21 13:55:13 2023 UA: 0054FFEE

    P 61270018 00 C3C97A155DFBED ; added by Emu Sat Jan 21 13:55:13 2023 UA: 0054FFEE

    P 61270025 00 C3C97A155DFBED ; added by Emu Sat Jan 21 13:55:13 2023 UA: 0054FFEE

    P 612700C9 00 C3C97A155DFBED ; added by Emu Sat Jan 21 13:55:13 2023 UA: 0054FFEE

    P 612700D0 00 C3C97A155DFBED ; added by Emu Sat Jan 21 13:55:13 2023 UA: 0054FFEE

    P 612700D3 00 C3C97A155DFBED ; added by Emu Sat Jan 21 13:55:13 2023 UA: 0054FFEE

    P 612700FA 00 C3C97A155DFBED ; added by Emu Sat Jan 21 13:55:13 2023 UA: 0054FFEE

    P 6127FFFF 01 3FD9C5A10BEFCE ; added by Emu Sat Jan 21 13:55:13 2023 UA: 0054FFEE

    P 61270001 01 3FD9C5A10BEFCE ; added by Emu Sat Jan 21 13:55:13 2023 UA: 0054FFEE

    P 61270002 01 3FD9C5A10BEFCE ; added by Emu Sat Jan 21 13:55:13 2023 UA: 0054FFEE

    P 61270018 01 3FD9C5A10BEFCE ; added by Emu Sat Jan 21 13:55:13 2023 UA: 0054FFEE

    P 61270025 01 3FD9C5A10BEFCE ; added by Emu Sat Jan 21 13:55:13 2023 UA: 0054FFEE

    P 612700C9 01 3FD9C5A10BEFCE ; added by Emu Sat Jan 21 13:55:13 2023 UA: 0054FFEE

    P 612700D0 01 3FD9C5A10BEFCE ; added by Emu Sat Jan 21 13:55:13 2023 UA: 0054FFEE

    P 612700D3 01 3FD9C5A10BEFCE ; added by Emu Sat Jan 21 13:55:13 2023 UA: 0054FFEE

    P 612700FA 01 3FD9C5A10BEFCE ; added by Emu Sat Jan 21 13:55:13 2023 UA: 0054FFEE

    Edited once, last by longhairedIdiot: I would guess that the drakkar is just recording the main pid that has the emm and ecm info with dvbsnoop. This is how I get the info with dvbsnoop only, no drakkar. I have a edision mio 4k plus, and It will not do a full / raw .ts recording. If the firmware supported it we could do a full ts recording. A pc card is about the only way, this is also needed if you are looking for biss keys as well. As far as your key file, I believe you posted a key file in the keys forum sometime back and I made it a lot smaller simply by cleaning up all the au keys, it cut the file size by over half. I didn't see much cluter in the file, only pv, biss, and tandberg stuff. ().

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    Perhaps an AFN syndrome of the kinder, gentler type?
    I'm of the assumption then that nothing in the configs would optimize performance?
    I'm guessing that since I'm using the keys written from the bottom of the file to manually update the hash/group. They must be invalid. And is shown in live log.

    Good conversation guys.
    longhaired. Yeah. I started from scratch making a key file tuned for sats we can receive here (that I can get).
    Popped in a few more # lines to make scrolling from sat to sat easier. AU clutter of old keys was only because some channels wouldn't clear and c/p from the original file until they did was needed. The latest oscam shows and displays the current afn key being used.
    Some said oscam couldn't do it some time ago. I wish it could be implemented for every channel.
    I use drakkar because dvbsnoop alone would confuse the hell out of me.
    When using drakkar to setup logging emm's the command is:
    dvbsnoop -devnr 0 -ph 2 | grep ^8 | tr [:lower:] [:upper:] | tr -d " "
    And returns 0x005a & 0x005c for pid.
    I always use the 5a pid. Don't even know what the 5c pid is. A bit above my knowledge.
    "They" said use the first one. And so you have it.
    For ecm logging the command is:
    dvbsnoop -devnr 0 -ph 2 0x005a | grep ^8 | tr [:lower:] [:upper:] | tr -d " "
    All channels on the tp the receiver is tuned to are returned.
    Pick one and setup your log file location and give it a name.
    If you don't have drakkar it might be interesting to grab it even if just to see the things it can do. All way above my talents (imagine a flat hand moving over the top of my head at 30k feet).

    A dvb card is in the works. In the interim I've tried a few of the card programs for Windows. Even got one setup to accept a stream from my receiver.
    The road block was getting files into it that were named similar to wha the receiver used.
    But in .ini format, etc. Couldn't figure out how to get the .xml files of the receiver image converted. TS Reader maybe I think I got working??
    It even managed to try a scan. But borked because I didnt have a tp file for it.
    Wow! More coffee!

    I was doing some testing and I have a ? for you. Do you have the file oscam.fakecws , if so remove it. When I had this file installed my AU was takeing over 40mins for some channels. With it removed its back to 7mins give or take. Food for thought :thinking face:

    Quote from longhairedIdiot

    I was doing some testing and I have a ? for you. Do you have the file oscam.fakecws , if so remove it. When I had this file installed my AU was takeing over 40mins for some channels. With it removed its back to 7mins give or take. Food for thought :thinking face:

    Some channels it depends on how many emm keys you have for that service and the emm cycle being used. You need the emm UA numbers to be spred out from low to high like UA 00400000- UA 006FFFFF if you have them or it will take longer to AU. Take AFN it cycles every 30 something minutes so even with a
    bunch of emm keys all the UA number are so close together they all AU within a ten minutes window so if you just miss the cycle you got to wait another 30 minutes before they cycle again. Other channels cycle every 2 to 5 minutes so only one emm is needed for those services. I don't see where the fake cw file would make a difference in the speed of the AU.

    Quote from TC308
    Quote from longhairedIdiot

    I was doing some testing and I have a ? for you. Do you have the file oscam.fakecws , if so remove it. When I had this file installed my AU was takeing over 40mins for some channels. With it removed its back to 7mins give or take. Food for thought :thinking face:

    Some channels it depends on how many emm keys you have for that service and the emm cycle being used. You need the emm UA numbers to be spred out from low to high like UA 00400000- UA 006FFFFF if you have them or it will take longer to AU. Take AFN it cycles every 30 something minutes so even with a
    bunch of emm keys all the UA number are so close together they all AU within a ten minutes window so if you just miss the cycle you got to wait another 30 minutes before they cycle again. Other channels cycle every 2 to 5 minutes so only one emm is needed for those services. I don't see where the fake cw file would make a difference in the speed of the AU.

    Im not sure why either, I know I never had to wait 40mins for au until I added the fake cw. I removed it and two different channels au in under 7 mins :dizzy face:

    Quote from longhairedIdiot
    Quote from TC308
    Quote from longhairedIdiot

    I was doing some testing and I have a ? for you. Do you have the file oscam.fakecws , if so remove it. When I had this file installed my AU was takeing over 40mins for some channels. With it removed its back to 7mins give or take. Food for thought :thinking face:

    Some channels it depends on how many emm keys you have for that service and the emm cycle being used. You need the emm UA numbers to be spred out from low to high like UA 00400000- UA 006FFFFF if you have them or it will take longer to AU. Take AFN it cycles every 30 something minutes so even with a
    bunch of emm keys all the UA number are so close together they all AU within a ten minutes window so if you just miss the cycle you got to wait another 30 minutes before they cycle again. Other channels cycle every 2 to 5 minutes so only one emm is needed for those services. I don't see where the fake cw file would make a difference in the speed of the AU.

    Im not sure why either, I know I never had to wait 40mins for au until I added the fake cw. I removed it and two different channels au in under 7 mins :dizzy face:

    I don't use any fake cw file myself but I can see it taking 40 mins if you have only a few emm keys on a long cycle service. Those viacom transponders on 101w and 105w have a one and a half hour cycle. I got a bunch of emm keys for those ranging from 0051xxxx-006E3XXX. That helps. luckily the keys don't change often.

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