Posts by viper82

Quote from jenseneverest

Is the anything blocking your line of sight to some satellites ? a tree or a house ?

yes, houses, the parabola is higher than the houses (you can raise it again if you want) currently from the roof the dish is at a height of 6 meters fixed to a wall approximately 4 meters above.

Quote from jenseneverest

I am glad things have improved

me too a lot

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but if there trees or buildings in the way then they will need to be removed

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Also change your SNR to DB values, they mean far more to me

I did not understand

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For comparison this is my signal using my 80cm dish - my line of sight is completely clear

30west

cubavision 10770 h 30000 --- SNR 14.1db

Telesur HD 10939 h 15000 --- SNR 13.1db

27w

BBC one HD 11495 V 44100 --- SNR 13.9db

22w

Canal Algerie 12674 H 20740 ---SNR 11.2db

15w

ESPN 901 12609 H 7552 --- SNR 10.4db

7w

Qatar TV HD 10834 V 27500 --- SNR 7.3db

36e

1 ARKHI 11212 H 14400 ---SNR 10.2db

39e

ERT 1 HD 122224 H 13381 --- SNR 9.9db

BBC WORLD 12242 H 13381 ---SNR 8.9db

4E 10730 H 30000 ---- SNR 14.5db

Prima sport 1 HD 12290 V 30000 --- SNR12.1 db

52e

247Box 11221 V 27500 --- SNR 12.8db

68.5e

POWER TV 12562 H 30000 --- SNR 8.2 db

And a test channel

34.5 WEST

11469 H 14975 ---- 14.3 db

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For comparison this is my signal

30west

cubavision 10770 h 30000 --- SNR: 63 AGC: 95 BER: 0

Telesur HD 10939 h 15000 --- SNR: 58 AGC: 82 BER: 0

27w

BBC one HD 11495 V 44100 --- SNR: 0 AGC: 0 BER: 0

22w

Canal Algerie 12674 H 20740 ---SNR: 43 AGC: 79 BER: 0

15w

ESPN 901 12609 H 7552 --- SNR: 50 AGC: 78 BER: 0

7w

Qatar TV HD 10834 V 27500 --- SNR: 0 AGC: 0 BER: 0

Saudi Channel 1 12149 V 27500 --- SNR: 40 AGC: 84 BER: 140/200

36e

1 ARKHI 11212 H 14400 --- SNR: 0/30 AGC: 78 BER: 0/1900 0/630 (Unstable)

39e

ERT 1 HD 122224 H 13381 --- SNR: 44/46/47 AGC: 83 BER: 0

BBC WORLD 12241 H 13381 ---SNR 8.9db SNR: 35/37 AGC: 81/82 BER: 0 (Unstable)

4E 10730 H 30000 ---- SNR: 81 AGC: 98 BER: 0

Prima sport 1 HD 12290 V 30000 --- SNR: 64/66 AGC: 98 BER: 0

52e

247Box 11221 V 27500 --- SNR: 33/35/37 AGC: 83/84 BER: 95/150/ (Unstable)

68.5e

POWER TV 12562 H 30000 --- SNR: 0 AGC: 0 BER: 0

34.5 WEST

11469 H 14975 ---- I could not test because I have no channel list

I know I can fix the signal even better, but how?

for example: on 7E the feeds I can only get (nhl service 1 and nhl service 2)

while the frequencies:

Eutelsat 7A/B ( 7.0°E )

11153 H 7200

11171 V 7199

11149 V 14399

12527 V 4998

11189 V 7198

11171 V 7198

11189 V 7200

12628 H 7199

I don't get them, even if I use blindScan it doesn't find them

Quote from kashmir

Hello everyone, Panda555 is right, normally you have to see the basic setting with your longitude, for example at home for me it was around 6.80 est....so if it corresponds to an existing sat you take it, otherwise you choose closest .... for my part I took the sat turk at 7° east, it was the closest to my exact south ....

why is 16e not the closest satellite to me?

my longitude is 17.

As I wrote in the previous post or left out my longitude and closest satellite and I did as I was advised by (jenseneverest) starting from 0.8w perfecting the satellite from there so currently I have found a significant improvement on the satellites

Quote from jenseneverest

I doubt it, you are still 20cm smaller than maximum dish size. which is probably another 10kg's in weight.

But if you started on 16e as your Zero point, then dish will be way over to the west when trying to get signal at 30w.

For me the motor should be on 0 when starting close to real due south, which is roughly the 0.8w satellite i suggested you begin with.

(introduction) I started following those who told me to start from the satellite closest to my longitude (16E) (to leave nothing to chance) since I had already started that way, trying to perfect the signal, I then went to 30W no signal, going to 42.0E no signal.

After having done many tests of signal arrangement at the extremes returning to 16e then 13e/ 7e 5w so on saying the signal was not good enough, so I started to follow your advice go to 0.8w which had a signal from 60 to 70% I started them to perfect the signal.

As it was before: 0.8w with frequency (12034.0 MHz V 30000 3/4 8ps 0.8°w) the signal is: snr 67 agc 98 ber 0

Now frequency: (12034.0 MHz V 30000 3/4 8ps 0.8°w) the signal is: snr 80agc 99 ber 0 (noticeable increase in signal)

0.8w

Before:                                                                                                    Now:

frequency (11938.0......) snr 80 agc 94 ber 0----------------------------> frequency (11938.0......) snr 95/97 agc 99 ber 0

frequency (10778.0......) snr 0 agc 0 ber 0-------------------------------> frequency (10778.0......) snr 0 agc 0 ber 0

frequency (11996.0......) snr 77 agc 98 ber 0----------------------------> frequency (11996.0......) snr 89 agc 99 ber 0

frequency (12188.0......) snr 70 agc 98 ber 0----------------------------> frequency (12188.0......) snr 89 agc 99 ber 0

frequency (11843.0......) snr 70 agc 97 ber 0----------------------------> frequency (11843.0......) snr 80 agc 99 ber 0

frequency (12188.0......) snr 70/72 agc 98 ber 0------------------------> frequency (12188.0......) snr 87 agc 99 ber 0

frequency (11325.0......) snr 0 agc 0 ber 0--------------------------------> frequency (11325.0......) snr 0 agc 0 ber 0

frequency (10934.0......) snr 0 agc 0 ber 0-------------------------------> frequency (10934.0......) snr 0 agc 0 ber 0

frequency (10903.0......) snr 0 agc 0 ber 0--------------------------------> frequency (10903.0......) snr 0 agc 0 ber 0

frequency (11229.0......) the signal is: snr 0 agc 0 ber 0-------------> frequency (11229.0......) the signal is: snr 0 agc 0 ber 0

frequency (12418.0......) snr 58/63 agc 98 ber 0------------------------> frequency (12418.0......) snr 80 agc 99 ber 0 (noticeable increase in signal)

frequency (12207.0......) snr 70/72 agc 99 ber 0------------------------> frequency (12207.0......) snr 89/91 agc 99 ber 0

frequency (12054.0......) snr 72 agc 98 ber 0-----------------------------> frequency (12054.0......) snr 86 agc 99 ber 0

frequency (11977.0......) snr 66/67 agc 95 ber 0------------------------> frequency (11977.0......) snr 81 agc 99 ber 0

...

30w

Before:                                                                                                    Now:

frequency (12360.0......) snr 0 agc 0 ber 0-------------------------------> frequency (12360.0......) snr 54/55 agc 89 ber 0

frequency (10770.0......) snr 0 agc 0 ber 0-------------------------------> frequency (10770.0......) snr 0 agc 0 ber 0 (Cubavision Internacional)

frequency (12476.0......) snr 0 agc 0 ber 0-------------------------------> frequency (12476.0......) snr 0/49 0/52 0/47 agc 90 ber 0 (Amc break)

...

the 30w satellite is not stable.

Doing as you said I have a significant improvement in the satellites. How can I improve everything to have a signal on all satellites?

If you get a signal by pushing the dish to the right, what should you do?

Quote from jenseneverest

Yes that is where i always start 0.8w

Reset you motor before setting up again, as if starting from new again.

Motor should then be driven to 0.8w (some motors have digital displays on the actual motor - i am not sure about your one? )

Fine tune for best signal on 0.8w on both H and V transponders try channel U tv (12687 H 27500) and channel Al Jazeera English (12418 V 28000) both are free channels.

Then drive motor to 30west and check for signal ,then to 39 east, and check for signal.

If there is no signal at 30w or 39e then bend dish face up or down to try for signal, that will tell you which way to adjust the motor latitude.

Go back to 0.8 west and check for signal. If signal is reduced, fine tune parabolic (dish face) elevation.

Repeat this process several times, between all 3 satellites' until you have good signal on all 3.

When you do, then you should have good signal everywhere, the full satellite arc.

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Ok thanks tomorrow morning I do that Currently if I push the dish up I have 70% signal on 30w and other satellites w. So if I push the dish up what should I do?

As it is set now, going to 0.8w with frequency (12034.0 MHz V 30000 3/4 8psk 0.8°w) the signal is: snr 67 agc 98 ber 0

frequency (11938.0 MHz h 28000 7/8 qpsk 0.8°w) the signal is: snr 80 agc 94 ber 0

frequency (10778.0......) the signal is: snr 0 agc 0 ber 0

frequency (11996.0......) the signal is: snr 77 agc 98 ber 0

frequency (12188.0......) the signal is: snr 70 agc 98 ber 0

frequency (11843.0......) the signal is: snr 70 agc 97 ber 0

frequency (12188.0......) the signal is: snr 70/72 agc 98 ber 0

frequency (11325.0......) the signal is: snr 0 agc 0 ber 0

frequency (10934.0......) the signal is: snr 0 agc 0 ber 0

frequency (10903.0......) the signal is: snr 0 agc 0 ber 0

frequency (11229.0......) the signal is: snr 0 agc 0 ber 0

frequency (12418.0......) the signal is: snr 58/63 agc 98 ber 0

frequency (12207.0......) the signal is: snr 70/72 agc 99 ber 0

frequency (12054.0......) the signal is: snr 72 agc 98 ber 0

frequency (11977.0......) the signal is: snr 66/67 agc 95 ber 0

...

What frequency do you recommend to use for the start?

Quote from jenseneverest

I doubt it, you are still 20cm smaller than maximum dish size. which is probably another 10kg's in weight.

But if you started on 16e as your Zero point, then dish will be way over to the west when trying to get signal at 30w.

For me the motor should be on 0 when starting close to real due south, which is roughly the 0.8w satellite i suggested you begin with.

so i have to start with 0.8w?

should the motor be at 0 or 0.8w?

example 1: motor at 0 and point the parable at 0.8w?

example 2: motor at 0.8w and point the parabola at 0.8w?

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Quote from viper82

Installation:

Signals

DAS ERSTE HD 19.2E : signal fluctuates from SNR 87/89%

RTSH 16E: signal fluctuates from SNR 60/63%

RSI LA1 HD 13E : signal fluctuates from SNR 81/83%

RTL HD 9E : signal fluctuates from SNR 78/80%

4U TV HD 7E : signal fluctuates from SNR 78/80%

AUST. COMEDY AND DRAMA 15.0W : signal fluctuates from SNR 33/35%

CUBAVISION INTER 30.0W : signal SNR 0%

I noticed that taking the dish by making a little pressure from left to right the signal is also present at 30W with power 60/70, (by doing this little pressure the motor arm moves) leaving the dish at 30w it does not give a signal.

Could it depend on the weight of the dish that unbalances the motor? (the dish weighs 20kg)

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Good post

Others may disagree with me, and i am not a professional satellite installer, only a hobbyist, but i have 3 motorised dishes and have moved house 7 times in 20 years so have done it more than once....

The fact you have 0 signal on 30 west tells me your settings are still way out, 30 West is a strong satellite as well !! I receive good signal with my 80cm dish there

28, 19, 16, 13, 9 east are all strong satellites don not even bother testing on those.

First and foremost make sure your usuals setting on your STB are correct for your long and latitude. Make sure you do not mix up east and west.

You will see i am very close to 0 longitude so if i get east and west wrong i still get signal on some sats!!

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The fact you have good signal on some sats means you are not that far out.

What you say about bending the dish face in a certain direction is exactly right and is how you fine tune it.

But you need to that with 3 satellites as far east / west as possible and one in the middle.

That is why i said to use 0.8w - 30w and 39east.

You need to get good signal on all 3 of those sats to give you good signal everywhere else, the full arc.

once you are happy with those 3 sats you can fine tune even more on hard signals, say 21.5 east and 8west.

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could it depend on the weight of the dish?

Installation:

Signals

DAS ERSTE HD 19.2E : signal fluctuates from SNR 87/89%

RTSH 16E: signal fluctuates from SNR 60/63%

RSI LA1 HD 13E : signal fluctuates from SNR 81/83%

RTL HD 9E : signal fluctuates from SNR 78/80%

4U TV HD 7E : signal fluctuates from SNR 78/80%

AUST. COMEDY AND DRAMA 15.0W : signal fluctuates from SNR 33/35%

CUBAVISION INTER 30.0W : signal SNR 0%

I noticed that taking the dish by making a little pressure from left to right the signal is also present at 30W with power 60/70, (by doing this little pressure the motor arm moves) leaving the dish at 30w it does not give a signal.

Could it depend on the weight of the dish that unbalances the motor? (the dish weighs 20kg)

Quote from jenseneverest

Regardless of what satellite you begin with there is very little point to using strong signal for setting up a motorised dish that spans a full arc.

For example in SE UK I can get 16east on my 60cm mesh dish. It is useless to set up on 16e unless you only want one satellite.

I was told that to set up the motorized dish you have to start with the satellite closest to my longitude, my longitude is 17° and therefore my reference satellite will be 16E.

this I was told

Quote from Panda555

I don't have motorized dish , but I will try to help you. You must adjusted your motorized dish according to the latitude and longitude

of your city or town. According to the longitude of your city , true south is required to adjust the dish. The tilt of the hand ( arm ) of your

satellite motor is the latitude of your city or town. What is your exactly longitude and latitude ? Maybe will help this site.

https://en.dishpointer.eu/

I've never used that site, I use this site https://www.dishpointer.com/

Quote from pierce

I have an active skit 09cd card and box for testing if anyone can help me extract k1 and k3 keys.

there are two of us, but apparently those who know hold it tight

Quote from jenseneverest

Poor alignment

But you need to be using the same LNB and STB to do a comparison

I am also assuming the dish's are in exactly the same place.

Have you got the new dish up now ?

All identical, the only thing different is the satellite dish, same pole perfectly level, same motor, same lnb, with the 100 one the signal on 16 and poor with the 80 one the signal is much better,

there should be no difference right?

Quote from jenseneverest

You could do.

But signal on 16e is strong so not much use for getting it accurate.

why with a 100 dish the signal of 16E and on 58 with an 80 dish the signal on 16E and of 70?

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I just finished installing the motorized dish, I have 78 signal on 7e. I performed BlindScan but I can't find "Service_MENA_01" 11171 V 7198, what should I do?

tested for NHL_SERVICE_1 and NHL_SERVICE_2, I receive them and they show.

it's not an easy feed, you need to point the dish carefully and the signal will depend on your position and dish size

dish 100, tomorrow I will adjust the dish

the procedure is always with research via BlindScan, right?

I just finished installing the motorized dish, I have 78 signal on 7e. I performed BlindScan but I can't find "Service_MENA_01" 11171 V 7198, what should I do?

tested for NHL_SERVICE_1 and NHL_SERVICE_2, I receive them and they show.

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You could do.

But signal on 16e is strong so not much use for getting it accurate.

my reference satellite is 16E, so I will first have to hook up to 16E and then proceed with the engine and target the extreme satellites, but before using the engine I wanted to use the signal detector connected only to the lnb.

once I have connected the motor to the pole and the satellite dish to the motor, with the motor off can I connect the detector and look for the signal with the motor off? (move entire block to capture the primary satellite "16e")

I attach image

unfortunately today there is 33km/h wind, I will have to wait for Saturday to be able to assemble everything, I also took a signal meter to help me find the signal

At what distance should the dish be fixed to the motor arm?