USALS LNB - Standard Worked Universal Doesn't Work

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    Hello, I had a standard linear 10750Mhz L.O. LNB working on my Zgemma H7 using "Selecting satellites 1 (USALS)" and "User defined" L.O. settings but couldn't blind scan properly. I replaced the LNB with a universal LNB and changed the user defined L.O. settings to 9750Mhz and 10600Mhz but it will not scan manually or blind scan. The new universal LNB works just as it should when I have it connected to my TBS-5922 USB tuner using SmartDVB software on a Windows 10 computer. It doesn't work for some reason with my Enigma2 receiver. I have tried numerous variations of tuner config settings with no luck.


    Can someone post a tuner configuration that works with a universal LNB with no DiSEqC switch and Pure2 6.5? My setup is receiver to Stab HH motor to LNB.


    Thank you

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    Changed the title of the thread from “USALS LNB - Linear Worked Universal Doesn't Work” to “USALS LNB - Standard Worked Universal Doesn't Work”.

    Can you post yours, as in screenshots, fully?


    I have a DiSEqC 17/1 switch, so I can't help you but people with a motor will help you, I am sure...

    "Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-incurred immaturity. Immaturity is the inability to use one's own understanding without the guidance of another. This immaturity is self-incurred if its cause is not lack of understanding, but lack of resolution and courage to use it without the guidance of another. The motto of enlightenment is therefore: Sapere aude! Have courage to use your own understanding!"


    http://www.columbia.edu/acis/ets/CCREAD/etscc/kant.html

    As I said, I do not have a motor - but you have 5-6 possibilities with USALS, no?

    Have you tried them all?

    "Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-incurred immaturity. Immaturity is the inability to use one's own understanding without the guidance of another. This immaturity is self-incurred if its cause is not lack of understanding, but lack of resolution and courage to use it without the guidance of another. The motto of enlightenment is therefore: Sapere aude! Have courage to use your own understanding!"


    http://www.columbia.edu/acis/ets/CCREAD/etscc/kant.html

    Yes, I tried simple configuration modes with single, positioner (selecting satellites) and positioner mode. I tried advanced configuration mode with Selecting satellites 1 (USALS), All satellites (USALS), selected individual satellite, assigned LNB1 and tried with LOF set to Universal LNB and User defined.


    I tried pretty much everything I could see would be worth while trying. I have not tried any DiSEqC settings since I don't use a switch.


    I'm currently scanning the entire arc successfully using SmartDVB on a Windows10 computer so the hardware is fine.

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    On a Stab H100 motor, default simple settings work just fine. You could try to low down default step size from 0.360 to some lesser value, but I do not find a must on the H7.
    In case you are EU based pls try with some motor ch settings from the feeds (morpheus, ciefp, etc)

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    yes simple should be fine, obviously with your latitude and longitude


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    Exactly what Universal LNB is it ? A Link to the LNB would be good .....


    What is happing with the motor? Dose it move ??

    Hello, first and foremost, thank your taking an interest to help me with this. I'm in Canada on the west coast. The LNB is an Avenger Ku band single LNBF, part number PLL321S-2. Here is the link to the specification page http://www.dmsiusa.com/docs/pll321s-2-specs1.pdf


    I'm wondering if the satellites.xml or the lamedb files are causing the problem. A new installation of Pure2 does not support satellites on this side of the pond. I need to go to http://satellites-xml.org/ to get a file that supports this area and overwrite the satellites.xml located in etc/tuxbox. My understanding is that the lamedb file will be updated with each scan.


    My dish is not moving with the simple configuration and manual or blind scan.

    satellites.xml creator - if one doesn't have one's area already catered for!!!


    Getting technical with C-Band - try this, I put in ALL the satellites....


    Also, read through this and related threads: Best image for zgemma H9S


    Good luck!

    "Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-incurred immaturity. Immaturity is the inability to use one's own understanding without the guidance of another. This immaturity is self-incurred if its cause is not lack of understanding, but lack of resolution and courage to use it without the guidance of another. The motto of enlightenment is therefore: Sapere aude! Have courage to use your own understanding!"


    http://www.columbia.edu/acis/ets/CCREAD/etscc/kant.html

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    Okay looking at the LNB you have got, it looks perfect to me, the "low power" feature i always recommend to peeps with Zgemma's, but that is for sats this side of the pond.....What you say about the sat.xml and it location is also correct, you do need to do that for your sats for sure, especially if manual scanning TP's.


    We need the dish to move, and that is what worries me.... it was working before you changed the LNB

    I do not fully understand the LNB that you had on there before either, and what worries me is you may need a special one for the satellites your trying to receive.?? Was the old one like this one:

    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LIN…FREE-TO-AIR-/382476738768


    If the new universal LNB blind scan's perfectly on the TBS tuner then, In that case it makes things look a lot worse for the zgemma....

    You could try setting up the motor using DiSEqC protocol rather than usals, But this is a real slow process


    I have seen other bad reports from American user's that have had issues with blind scan on Zgemma h7's too....

    supwiddiss has a lot on knowledge on the H7 in the States if is he is online.....???

    Sorry, Pure2 does support satellites on this side of the pond for known active transponders. I overwrite with an xml file that has only satellites for this area and which includes channels that are deemed not active with the hope that I'll be able to scan in more channels. Blind scan doesn't work 100% for me with LOF frequency of 10750 which is why I replaced the LNB with a universal LNB. I thought all I'd have to do is change the user defined LOF frequencies and all would be golden.


    So I just updated my satellites.xml with the xml update plugin and I'm still not able to scan or move the USALS dish. The lamedb file has the satellites for this area.

    Yes, all my hardware is working perfectly with the TBS tuner, SmartDVB on a Windows10 computer. Today I scanned the entire arc from 129.0W to 87.1W with the universal LNB.


    Before, I was using an Invacom QPH-031 https://www.amazon.ca/Invacom-…lar-Outputs/dp/B000RLAK7A and had no problem with tuner settings Advanced, "Selecting satellites 1 (USALS)" and "User defined" L.O. settings of LOF/L=10750, LOF/H=10750, Threshold=11700. It would manual scan and move the dish.


    I may just try the DiSEqC settings and see if that works. Quite surprising. I thought this universal LNB would be drop in with a change of user defined LOF settings.

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    Oh I'm here. Lol.
    No. I gave up on the H7. Now that I have my OsMio 4k the H7 collects dust.
    The most misrepresented receiver that I got fooled into getting. ACM/VCM ability of the Mio is awesome.
    Blindscan is great. There are some issues with tp's spaced 4 MHz apart but the TNAP image takes care of it well.
    Transponders saved to an xml in the Mio can certainly be added to the satellites.xml in the H7.
    It's been months since I tried an image that "supported blindscan" in my H7. So I'll accept it as a hardware limitation.
    When I did try it last (before I installed a ku lnbf) C band blindscan was a disaster.
    Furthermore I tried a dummy satellites.xml file in both receivers. The Edision didn't care a bit and did a great blindscan. The H7 puked all over the place.
    The only minus of the Mio is it only has one satellite tuner and no pass-thru like the H7.
    I've been using a Titanium ASC-1 and both receivers ran my actuator perfectly. I do not have a USALS motor.
    When I installed my ku lnbf alongside the c band, a 22 KHz would not work. I beat my head on that one because it was supposed to.
    I tried another one. Nope. But a DISEqC switch works like a peach.

    Hey supwiddiss, thanks for your input here.


    I've had my eye on the OsMio 4K for a while now but was hoping to get the H7 working. As you know it has the dual S2 tuners and an ATSC tuner. The OsMio has one S2 tuner and a T2 tuner which doesn't work here. I guess I could get a USB ATSC tuner for terrestrial reception. I've heard a lot of good things about the OsMio scanning and the TNAP image.


    I'll try a bit more with the H7.AC and see if DiSEqC settings make a difference before buying an OsMio. Where would you recommend buying a OsMio4K?

    If you wanna be a heavy duty puritan, go ahead, blow your brains out....


    On the other hand, it's simple, if you are not of that persuasion....


    Put in a proper XML, a complete one, TPs and all!


    Scan normally.


    Amen!

    "Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-incurred immaturity. Immaturity is the inability to use one's own understanding without the guidance of another. This immaturity is self-incurred if its cause is not lack of understanding, but lack of resolution and courage to use it without the guidance of another. The motto of enlightenment is therefore: Sapere aude! Have courage to use your own understanding!"


    http://www.columbia.edu/acis/ets/CCREAD/etscc/kant.html

    To be on the safe side, FTP satelites.xml (world wide or NA centric), with e2 process killed (telnet to the box, then type "init 4" and reboot)
    After that, since you are on Ku band, which H7 can handle, even blindscan should work.

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    Hey supwiddiss, thanks for your input here.


    I've had my eye on the OsMio 4K for a while now but was hoping to get the H7 working. As you know it has the dual S2 tuners and an ATSC tuner. The OsMio has one S2 tuner and a T2 tuner which doesn't work here. I guess I could get a USB ATSC tuner for terrestrial reception. I've heard a lot of good things about the OsMio scanning and the TNAP image.


    I'll try a bit more with the H7.AC and see if DiSEqC settings make a difference before buying an OsMio. Where would you recommend buying a OsMio4K?

    Titaanium Satellite. Brian will take time to speak with you where others only have email contact.
    Weigh the pluses and minuses. The Mio 4k + may even be an option for you. I don't have signal here to even need an ATSC tuner.
    I would give OpenATV 6.2/6.3 a try on the H7. You have the slots to do it. Just be prepared to have a remote control that works like remote should.
    I haven't really heard anything bad about the external tuners that are compatible with the Mio.
    Oh....Tone Mode....OFF. LOF.....User Defined. LOF/L.....10750. LOF/H.....10750. Threshold.....10750. Increased Juice.....no. Voltage Mode....Polarization. Tone Mode....Off.
    I don't watch much ku, see if that works. I have a Maverick MK-1 PLL linear ku lnbf here.

    diyjeb - since you are already with this setup, could you do us a favour, please?


    Could you try @tromo's suggestion in conjunction with mine and see if works, please? It would be useful to know, for all our American users, of all persuasions, Latin and all....


    Secondly, if that doesn't work, could you put back the LNB that used to work and try the same thing with a new, complete XML file?


    Thanx a bunch in advance!!!

    "Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-incurred immaturity. Immaturity is the inability to use one's own understanding without the guidance of another. This immaturity is self-incurred if its cause is not lack of understanding, but lack of resolution and courage to use it without the guidance of another. The motto of enlightenment is therefore: Sapere aude! Have courage to use your own understanding!"


    http://www.columbia.edu/acis/ets/CCREAD/etscc/kant.html

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    I moved this thread to the USA section, diyjeb i know your from Canada but the States is a load closer than Mud island is, and there is a few American users i am sure will be able to help.


    I would be interested in seeing if your able to get anywhere with the Zgemma, but as has already been suggested there may well be better hardware (and its specific support) in the OS Mio 4k

    I'll keep plugging away at this for sure and let you know when/if I succeed. I just find it hard to believe that when all I presumably had to do is replace the LNB and change LOF settings. Changing LOF frequencies should not affect stab HH motor movement. Its a question of time before I figure it out.


    Thanks for everyone's help.

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