If you get a signal by pushing the dish to the right, what should you do?
info correct installation and configuration of the motorized dish
- viper82
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The centre should always be the sat nearest your true south I think?
Its been a while since I set mine up.
I made sure the pole was perfect with a digital spirit level, trusted the maths, set everything OCD and it worked first time.
I have this one. Looks like there both from the same factory.
Here is one of the videos I used that helped me understand how to set it up.
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I doubt it, you are still 20cm smaller than maximum dish size. which is probably another 10kg's in weight.
But if you started on 16e as your Zero point, then dish will be way over to the west when trying to get signal at 30w.
For me the motor should be on 0 when starting close to real due south, which is roughly the 0.8w satellite i suggested you begin with.
(introduction) I started following those who told me to start from the satellite closest to my longitude (16E) (to leave nothing to chance) since I had already started that way, trying to perfect the signal, I then went to 30W no signal, going to 42.0E no signal.
After having done many tests of signal arrangement at the extremes returning to 16e then 13e/ 7e 5w so on saying the signal was not good enough, so I started to follow your advice go to 0.8w which had a signal from 60 to 70% I started them to perfect the signal.
As it was before: 0.8w with frequency (12034.0 MHz V 30000 3/4 8ps 0.8°w) the signal is: snr 67 agc 98 ber 0
Now frequency: (12034.0 MHz V 30000 3/4 8ps 0.8°w) the signal is: snr 80agc 99 ber 0 (noticeable increase in signal)
0.8w
Before: Now:
frequency (11938.0......) snr 80 agc 94 ber 0----------------------------> frequency (11938.0......) snr 95/97 agc 99 ber 0
frequency (10778.0......) snr 0 agc 0 ber 0-------------------------------> frequency (10778.0......) snr 0 agc 0 ber 0
frequency (11996.0......) snr 77 agc 98 ber 0----------------------------> frequency (11996.0......) snr 89 agc 99 ber 0
frequency (12188.0......) snr 70 agc 98 ber 0----------------------------> frequency (12188.0......) snr 89 agc 99 ber 0
frequency (11843.0......) snr 70 agc 97 ber 0----------------------------> frequency (11843.0......) snr 80 agc 99 ber 0
frequency (12188.0......) snr 70/72 agc 98 ber 0------------------------> frequency (12188.0......) snr 87 agc 99 ber 0
frequency (11325.0......) snr 0 agc 0 ber 0--------------------------------> frequency (11325.0......) snr 0 agc 0 ber 0
frequency (10934.0......) snr 0 agc 0 ber 0-------------------------------> frequency (10934.0......) snr 0 agc 0 ber 0
frequency (10903.0......) snr 0 agc 0 ber 0--------------------------------> frequency (10903.0......) snr 0 agc 0 ber 0
frequency (11229.0......) the signal is: snr 0 agc 0 ber 0-------------> frequency (11229.0......) the signal is: snr 0 agc 0 ber 0
frequency (12418.0......) snr 58/63 agc 98 ber 0------------------------> frequency (12418.0......) snr 80 agc 99 ber 0 (noticeable increase in signal)
frequency (12207.0......) snr 70/72 agc 99 ber 0------------------------> frequency (12207.0......) snr 89/91 agc 99 ber 0
frequency (12054.0......) snr 72 agc 98 ber 0-----------------------------> frequency (12054.0......) snr 86 agc 99 ber 0
frequency (11977.0......) snr 66/67 agc 95 ber 0------------------------> frequency (11977.0......) snr 81 agc 99 ber 0
...
30w
Before: Now:
frequency (12360.0......) snr 0 agc 0 ber 0-------------------------------> frequency (12360.0......) snr 54/55 agc 89 ber 0
frequency (10770.0......) snr 0 agc 0 ber 0-------------------------------> frequency (10770.0......) snr 0 agc 0 ber 0 (Cubavision Internacional)
frequency (12476.0......) snr 0 agc 0 ber 0-------------------------------> frequency (12476.0......) snr 0/49 0/52 0/47 agc 90 ber 0 (Amc break)
...
the 30w satellite is not stable.
Doing as you said I have a significant improvement in the satellites. How can I improve everything to have a signal on all satellites?
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Why this site isn't good , maybe is even better than yours. You can't adjust satellite 16 E as first , because isn't your central satellite
if you underastand me. Depending on your longitude find the nearest satellite and adjust the dish accordingly.
Site is full of adware
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Hello everyone, Panda555 is right, normally you have to see the basic setting with your longitude, for example at home for me it was around 6.80 est....so if it corresponds to an existing sat you take it, otherwise you choose closest .... for my part I took the sat turk at 7° east, it was the closest to my exact south ....
why is 16e not the closest satellite to me?
my longitude is 17.
As I wrote in the previous post or left out my longitude and closest satellite and I did as I was advised by (jenseneverest) starting from 0.8w perfecting the satellite from there so currently I have found a significant improvement on the satellites
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Is the anything blocking your line of sight to some satellites ? a tree or a house ?
I am glad things have improved, but if there trees or buildings in the way then they will need to be removed
Also change your SNR to DB values, they mean far more to me
For comparison this is my signal using my 80cm dish - my line of sight is completely clear
30west
cubavision 10770 h 30000 --- SNR 14.1db
Telesur HD 10939 h 15000 --- SNR 13.1db
27w
BBC one HD 11495 V 44100 --- SNR 13.9db
22w
Canal Algerie 12674 H 20740 ---SNR 11.2db
15w
ESPN 901 12609 H 7552 --- SNR 10.4db
7w
Qatar TV HD 10834 V 27500 --- SNR 7.3db
36e
1 ARKHI 11212 H 14400 ---SNR 10.2db
39e
ERT 1 HD 122224 H 13381 --- SNR 9.9db
BBC WORLD 12242 H 13381 ---SNR 8.9db
4E 10730 H 30000 ---- SNR 14.5db
Prima sport 1 HD 12290 V 30000 --- SNR12.1 db
52e
247Box 11221 V 27500 --- SNR 12.8db
68.5e
POWER TV 12562 H 30000 --- SNR 8.2 db
And a test channel
34.5 WEST
11469 H 14975 ---- 14.3 db signal on this transponder but no channels right now so black screen.
The above are all using ceifps latest channel list - most are FTA or Biss channels
If your line of sight is clear you may need a few more tweak's to your setup.
Also how have you placed your LNB in the holder ? it should be on zero.
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Is the anything blocking your line of sight to some satellites ? a tree or a house ?
yes, houses, the parabola is higher than the houses (you can raise it again if you want) currently from the roof the dish is at a height of 6 meters fixed to a wall approximately 4 meters above.
I am glad things have improved
me too a lot
but if there trees or buildings in the way then they will need to be removed
Also change your SNR to DB values, they mean far more to me
I did not understand
Display MoreFor comparison this is my signal using my 80cm dish - my line of sight is completely clear
30west
cubavision 10770 h 30000 --- SNR 14.1db
Telesur HD 10939 h 15000 --- SNR 13.1db
27w
BBC one HD 11495 V 44100 --- SNR 13.9db
22w
Canal Algerie 12674 H 20740 ---SNR 11.2db
15w
ESPN 901 12609 H 7552 --- SNR 10.4db
7w
Qatar TV HD 10834 V 27500 --- SNR 7.3db
36e
1 ARKHI 11212 H 14400 ---SNR 10.2db
39e
ERT 1 HD 122224 H 13381 --- SNR 9.9db
BBC WORLD 12242 H 13381 ---SNR 8.9db
4E 10730 H 30000 ---- SNR 14.5db
Prima sport 1 HD 12290 V 30000 --- SNR12.1 db
52e
247Box 11221 V 27500 --- SNR 12.8db
68.5e
POWER TV 12562 H 30000 --- SNR 8.2 db
And a test channel
34.5 WEST
11469 H 14975 ---- 14.3 db
For comparison this is my signal
30west
cubavision 10770 h 30000 --- SNR: 63 AGC: 95 BER: 0
Telesur HD 10939 h 15000 --- SNR: 58 AGC: 82 BER: 0
27w
BBC one HD 11495 V 44100 --- SNR: 0 AGC: 0 BER: 0
22w
Canal Algerie 12674 H 20740 ---SNR: 43 AGC: 79 BER: 0
15w
ESPN 901 12609 H 7552 --- SNR: 50 AGC: 78 BER: 0
7w
Qatar TV HD 10834 V 27500 --- SNR: 0 AGC: 0 BER: 0
Saudi Channel 1 12149 V 27500 --- SNR: 40 AGC: 84 BER: 140/200
36e
1 ARKHI 11212 H 14400 --- SNR: 0/30 AGC: 78 BER: 0/1900 0/630 (Unstable)
39e
ERT 1 HD 122224 H 13381 --- SNR: 44/46/47 AGC: 83 BER: 0
BBC WORLD 12241 H 13381 ---SNR 8.9db SNR: 35/37 AGC: 81/82 BER: 0 (Unstable)
4E 10730 H 30000 ---- SNR: 81 AGC: 98 BER: 0
Prima sport 1 HD 12290 V 30000 --- SNR: 64/66 AGC: 98 BER: 0
52e
247Box 11221 V 27500 --- SNR: 33/35/37 AGC: 83/84 BER: 95/150/ (Unstable)
68.5e
POWER TV 12562 H 30000 --- SNR: 0 AGC: 0 BER: 0
34.5 WEST
11469 H 14975 ---- I could not test because I have no channel list
I know I can fix the signal even better, but how?
for example: on 7E the feeds I can only get (nhl service 1 and nhl service 2)
while the frequencies:
Eutelsat 7A/B ( 7.0°E )
11153 H 7200
11171 V 7199
11149 V 14399
12527 V 4998
11189 V 7198
11171 V 7198
11189 V 7200
12628 H 7199
I don't get them, even if I use blindScan it doesn't find them
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Your dish isn't yet properly adjusted. Also your signal strength will be different then Jenseneverest who is in UK and you
in southern Italy. I will repeat once more , your central satellit is Eutelsat 16 E and when you find the best signals on some
frequencies ( see my post #39 ) then will be much better for other satellites in your range ( especially 30 W which is also important
for adjust). Why not try ?
After adjustment , what is the current signal strength on 19 , 16 and 13 E now ?
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looking at your signal above you must be very close to getting it spot on.
Now it would be best to only adjust on weak signals to see if you can get a slight improvement? you may not, particularly try on 7east
As the dish is above the roof line of the houses in your area it should be a clear line of sight, and okay.
After slight adjustment and no further improvement, then you could look at your LNB, some makes are better than others.
The length of satellite cable should not be more than 30meters, it should also be of a good quality.
To change your signal levels to DB -
menu-setup-usage and user interface-settings-show SNR as % instead of DB (not all stb support this function)
my 7 east dish, is a 1.2m channel master, so comparison would be a waste of time....
That dish with a blind scan finds 51 channels
attached is the sat.xml it just found
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I have asked you before, why do you say 16 east is his central sat, central to what exactly ?
give me a reason for saying this so i may understand your thinking.
QuoteSatellites Orbit The Equator
I apologise for those of you reading this blog is Australia, New Zealand or any of the other southern hemisphere nations as the title of this blog will be a misleading for you guys. The satellites that deliver telecoms, satellite TV & digital services are in geo-stationary orbit in space and orbit around the equator. They rotate at the same speed of the earth which is fortunate because if they didn't, you would either need to install some sort of satellite tracking system which would be very expensive in comparison to a standard satellite dish installation. For this reason when installing satellite dishes in the Northern Hemisphere the dish will always be directed south regardless of what satellite service you wish to receive and the azimuth and elevation adjusted depending on what service you wish to receive, the required satellite dish size may be different also. The same is true for English Sat, French Sat, Polish Sat etc.
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16E looks most south. It certainly wouldn't be 0.8W I don't think. Its 0.8W in UK
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okay that kind of makes sense, it is the sort of thing i would have to see myself, i am still trying to get my head round it.
I keep forgetting the OP is not in the UK.
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Sorry !!
The more i think about this, the more i am coming to the conclusion that panda and Chris230291 are correct.
As to how much difference it will make actually make, i am not sure, after all the motor is designed to pan the full arc, and the arc never changes.
From the map above then 16east is closest to your due south.
So if your up for messing about with your setup yet again, it would be interesting to see the results.
I will have to buy you a beer for your troubles !!
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Here are the steps I took.
- Make sure pole is perfectly straight using digital level
- Make sure the motor is perfectly centred (manually move to 0 using built in button, then hold reset)
- Find my lat-lon as precise as possible (google maps etc)
- Find my most south sat (in UK is 0.8W)
- Using the table in the motor manual, set the bracket angle (once set we do not touch this again)
- Using the manual, set the dish angle (the dish needs to be as square as possible to the motor)
- Attach the assembly to the pole tight enough so it doesn't move by itself, but loose enough you can rotate around the pole
- On receiver drive the motor to my most south sat (0.8W in UK)
- Rotate assembly around the pole until I get the best signal and tighten the bolts
- Fine tune dish elevation to maximize signal quality
Done
If everything is right you will be on the arc.
If there is something you do not receive that you believe you should, you can fine tune the dish. But only tiniest adjustments else you are not aligned anymore.
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I should also add that you will need to configure your receiver for your location.
I use TVHeadend and I had to set my lat-lon and elevation. I imagine its very similar for E2.
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Your dish isn't yet properly adjusted. Also your signal strength will be different then Jenseneverest who is in UK and you
in southern Italy. I will repeat once more , your central satellit is Eutelsat 16 E and when you find the best signals on some
frequencies ( see my post #39 ) then will be much better for other satellites in your range ( especially 30 W which is also important
for adjust). Why not try ?
After adjustment , what is the current signal strength on 19 , 16 and 13 E now ?
Tell me which frequencies you are interested in knowing about 19,16,13 that I post them
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Thank you. Only few frequencies for each satellite.
Astra 19 E
11538 V 22000
11229 V 22000
11361 H 22000
Eutelsat 16 E
11262 H 30000
11139 V 27500
11554 V 30000
11637 V 30000
Eutelsat 13 E
11766 V 29900
11432 V 29900
10971 H 29700
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okay that kind of makes sense, it is the sort of thing i would have to see myself, i am still trying to get my head round it.
I keep forgetting the OP is not in the UK.
EDIT
Sorry !!
The more i think about this, the more i am coming to the conclusion that panda and Chris230291 are correct.
As to how much difference it will make actually make, i am not sure, after all the motor is designed to pan the full arc, and the arc never changes.
From the map above then 16east is closest to your due south.
So if your up for messing about with your setup yet again, it would be interesting to see the results.
I will have to buy you a beer for your troubles !!
I've already tried many times (I've been trying for several months) with a setting of 16e set as the starting satellite, but only when I set 0.8w as the starting satellite that I found a significant difference in signal, tomorrow I'll take a 80cm dish because when I mounted the 80cm one I didn't have all these problems I'm having with this 100cm one.
p.s. there is nothing to apologize because what you offered me was advice so there is absolutely nothing to apologize
as I take the 80cm one tomorrow I will set it up again with the 16e satellite as primary let's see what happens.
all advice is always welcome
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Thank you. Only few frequencies for each satellite.
Astra 19 E
11538 V 22000
11229 V 22000
11361 H 22000
Eutelsat 16 E
11262 H 30000
11139 V 27500
11554 V 30000
11637 V 30000
Eutelsat 13 E
11766 V 29900
11432 V 29900
10971 H 29700
ok.
Eutelsat 13 E
10971 H 29700 --- SNR: 83/86 AGC: 99 BER: 0
11432 V 29900 --- SNR: 83 AGC: 99 BER: 0
11766 V 29900 --- SNR: 78/80 AGC: 99 BER: 0
Eutelsat 16 E
11139 V 27500 --- SNR: 55/57 AGC: 95 BER: 0
11262 H 30000 --- SNR: 554/55 AGC: 96 BER: 0
11554 V 30000 --- SNR: 70/72 AGC: 99 BER: 0
11637 V 30000 --- SNR: 80 AGC: 99 BER: 0
Astra 19 E
11229 V 22000 --- SNR: 67 AGC: 99 BER: 0
11361 H 22000 --- I don't have this frequency
11362 H 22000 --- SNR: 75 AGC: 99 BER: 0
11538 V 22000 --- SNR: 75 AGC: 99 BER: 0
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If you will have better results or signal with dish 80 cm , do it the same thing with new dish , but we will see tomorow.
I know that you will solved your "problem" with new dish.
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dish and motor set up on thor 1 west 100% signal quality the wall bracet or ground pool mast bee 100% line up the dish on set up dipend on your location an you will receive all satellite from 50 east to 50 west
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... then you could look at your LNB, some makes are better than others.
To change your signal levels to DB -
menu-setup-usage and user interface-settings-show SNR as % instead of DB (not all stb support this function)
ok, what is the use of doing this?
set from % to db
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